hello, running kernel 2.6.13-1.1532_FC4 (32 bit), recently built and patched via Yum and apt-get. The hardware is AMD64 4000+ on Gigabyte ga-k8n ultra-9. Sound worked fine for the singular user setup via Anaconda. I added a second user via -> System Settings -> Users and Groups When logging into this 2nd user account there appeared the strange error "can't access /dev/dsp" further the mixer seemed to break and showed up with the disabled icon. It seems that all new users, , have as default primary group, . This is unclean/messy. Here's what I ended up doing to fix the problem. I want a handful of users to be able to log into the box with sound available, then also be able to define users which will only login via remote -- call them shell users (for web sites). (please suggest improvements or corrections) ------------ begin fc4 perms patch ---------- [root@fc4 me]#groupadd audio [root@fc4 me]#pico /etc/group add root to the new "audio" group Now we will change permissions on the glob in file, 50-default.perms [root@fc4 me]#cd /etc/security/console.perms.d/ [root@fc4 me]#pico 50-default.perms find this line and correct as shown below: 0660 0660 root.audio next put the relevant devices into our new group [root@fc4 me]#chgrp audio \ >/dev/midi* \ >/dev/snd \ >/dev/snd/* \ >/dev/mixer* \ >/dev/dsp* existing users can be repaired as [root@fc4 me]#usermod -g users -G audio for new users, start with this [root@fc4 me]#useradd -g users -G audio,(+ whatever) ------------- end patch ------------ If you like, go into the "Users and Groups" applet and remove the now useless groups, named as . thanks for your comments, Mark -- http://www.tlviewer.org (FC4)